tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615738934994164368.post2434664296617381529..comments2023-11-02T07:22:15.941-04:00Comments on The Lead Cotillion: A brief interruption for new contentKen Coblehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06104321870877852235noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615738934994164368.post-45096854104024831112010-01-21T01:58:45.919-05:002010-01-21T01:58:45.919-05:00Duh... I was starting to run up a few sample armie...Duh... I was starting to run up a few sample armies using the M&R "Army Building" rules, and lo and behold I found the three sample lists Mr. Mustafa so wisely included in the text. For our purposes, the important thing is the number of units in each one. The highest quality list, the Prussians, is a 14 unit list; the average-quality Austrians field at 23 units; and the lowest quality list, the Russians clock in at 26 units (although to be fair I should mention they've still got an Average commander, which means a Poor list would probably be even larger). <br /><br />Now what about buying them, as Baccus 6mms? Well, the Prussians can be fielded with two bags of cav and four bags of infantry (you really only need like 1/3 of the last bag, but extra dudes are always good I guess); prices out at around $55. The Russians will cost around $65 - four bags of infantry, two of cav, artillery and a howitzer. Interestingly, the army packs you can buy don't seem to be priced terribly well - they look like half a bag of infantry, a little more than two bags of cav, and a half bag of arty, at a price point which doesn't seem to tally with what you'd pay if you bought them seperately, much less save you any money. I might need to email Baccus and see if I'm reading their army pack contents wrong, or something....Ken Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06104321870877852235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615738934994164368.post-32024420940550847092010-01-20T17:32:53.535-05:002010-01-20T17:32:53.535-05:00I guess I need to work up at least two solid army ...I guess I need to work up at least two solid army lists at the points values recommended in the 'Army Builder' section. The points for an army run from around 150pts if you take a Great commander, up to 240 if you take a Poor commander (these numbers are from the British/Hanoverian list, but they seem to cover the entire permissible range of point values). I should work up a list at each extreme (and maybe one in the middle too) and price them out more specifically than my cocktail-napkin math above. But at an apparent maximum unit cost of 12 points for stuff like Guards units, and with line troops falling in between 8 and 10 points for most lists, I think a full-sized army will wind up being between 15 and 25 total units. I guess the big thing to figure out is how many units you can build per bag of Baccus 6mm. Based on the picture in the M&R book, I was originally thinking you'd only get 2 infantry units per bag (2 units of 2 bases of 24 guys each for 96 minis). However, the example 6mm base listed is actually on a larger base than the rules technically call for; and on the Baccus website you can see their SYW guys very nicely based up at what looks like 16 minis per base. This would give you three infantry units per bag, not 2, which would be a nice savings indeed. The other thing I need to figure is how many cavalry you'd need to base up on that standard base width (2"x1") and not look too anemic. The Baccus cav comes in bags of 45; I'm frankly not sure how many 2-base cav units one could build from a bag of them. I might post on TMP and see if anyone's got any experience in basing them for this ruleset, as unfortunately out of all the pics in this book none are of 6mm cav. Right now my rough guess would be 3 to 4 cav units out of a bag of 45 minis (at a basing rate of 5 or 6 horse per base, hence 10 or 12 per unit). I'll crunch the numbers a little bit finer tonight and post my results here.Ken Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06104321870877852235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615738934994164368.post-4127870154038290842010-01-19T15:33:01.952-05:002010-01-19T15:33:01.952-05:00Baccus 6mm may be cheaper than that.
I think they ...Baccus 6mm may be cheaper than that.<br />I think they advertised in the M&R rulebook.Brittnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615738934994164368.post-79907251679755831762010-01-16T22:32:36.957-05:002010-01-16T22:32:36.957-05:00I'll throw them in for Monday so you can take ...I'll throw them in for Monday so you can take a look. The M&R rulebook is a bit thin, but I think it's going to be well worth the investment. There's tons of neat little historical quotes scattered throughout the book, too - "I command a band of thieves and assassins fit for the rack who will turn tail at the first musket shot, and who are always ready to revolt. The king has the worst infantry under the sun..." (St. Germain to Duverney, 11 November 1757)<br /><br />I'm going to see how much an 'average' army in 6mm would cost, but I figure it can't be too much; based on the sample pics in the book it looks like 24 6mm infantry per base, two bases per unit, and (at a wild-assed guess) around 15 units for an army, cavalry and arty included. So it looks like a bag of Bacchus 6mm infantry will make 2 units... I'm thinking you could get a list built at around $50 or so, give or take?Ken Coblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06104321870877852235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615738934994164368.post-50018428734548764862010-01-16T21:23:09.343-05:002010-01-16T21:23:09.343-05:00Drooling over the FoG and M&R rules. Very coo...Drooling over the FoG and M&R rules. Very cool.<br /><br />I think that you have a force that is going to smash the SIsters. Just my feeling.Brittnoreply@blogger.com